Post details: A Partial Mea Culpa - What I have here is a problem to communicate...

03/25/07

A Partial Mea Culpa - What I have here is a problem to communicate...

Re: Wednesday's post... and a few other places.

Wheelchair

Got some mail... and a comment... the comment was reasonable (from a friend)... out of two pieces of mail, one was reasonable... the other was not.

Why all the heartache?

Well, apparently, Mr. Knee-Surgery here should not and can not speak for the handicapped, I have put my own love of old buses before my care about those who are specially-abled, and my criticism of Mr. Edwards from The Disability Rights Commission was unfounded as the buses are only transportation.

Also, very briefly, in the comment, I was called out for comparing the Routemaster buses to buildings.

First of all, I do wish to state a mea culpa... Perhaps I didn't state the case that well... but in all three communications, I don't believe that the respondants read the linked BBC article which was the basis for my missive...

Routemaster

If they had, they would know that out of literally thousands of Routemasters Transport for London used to run on literally hundreds of routes (over 700 different routes), there are now only two routes Routemasters are used on... the 15 and the 9 route... both of which are heavy tourist routes which are also serviced by several other routes (travelling the same roads) using the new "articulated" (bendi) buses which are, indeed, wheelchair friendly. All other routes are now wheelchair accessible.

This means that no one is being forced onto the Routemasters... and they can be completely avoided without any loss of travel time. Transport for London made sure of this.

Also, as stated, out of a fleet of thousands of Routemasters, there's now less than twenty in TfL's stables... this despite them being re-engined in the late 1990's with new Scania engines... making them the most environmentally efficient buses (save mini-buses) in TfL's fleet. The rest have been sold or scrapped.

With these facts in mind, I re-ask those three people... Do you feel it's right for Mr. Edwards to demand and even threaten the life of these last remaining buses?

...now, hang on... don't answer yet...

The Routemaster is one of London's icons. Let's face it, in North America, ANY double-decker usually gets called a "London Bus"... but the old platform loading Routemasters are synonymous with "London".

Expedia is currently running ads to bolster European tourism in the office towers of downtown Toronto... the ads feature The Eiffel Tower, The Colosseum, The Parthenon... and a Routemaster. This is over the past week I've seen this.

The Routemaster is as easily as recognised an emblem as Big Ben and Tower Bridge... and MOST people think Big Ben's the name of the clock (it isn't, it's the name of the bell inside the clock,) and that Tower Bridge is London Bridge... and it isn't. So, to hear "People don't know Routemasters from any other bus" is not accurate.

So, I ask again... Do you feel it's right for Mr. Edwards to demand and even threaten the life of these last remaining buses?

Hang on... I've got more...

Platform

The old platform loading buses needed a conductor. A man separate from the driver to sell and take tickets. Usually, they also offered advice, travel help, and on more than one occasion to your's truly, just chatted people up.

With the new drivers, the conductor is done away with for the typical "driver does it all" configuration.

...now, according to the article...

Mr Edwards is not impressed with the argument that many disabled, elderly and frail people may have preferred Routemasters because they had conductors.

That is suggesting that disabled people can only get around London "with the goodwill and behest of a helping hand", he believes.

Isn't Mr. Edwards offering the behest of his helping hand...? Y'know, the helping hand of an organisation that would like to see the death of these vehicles completely to make things "better".

Also, I have to assume that Mr. Edwards does not have any children (hey, don't get me wrong, I have a twenty-year-old who worries me...) or a wife who might be travelling on a bus at night... or spoken to all those older patrons... I can't fathom them all saying they dislike conductors because it's "demeaning".

Okay, NOW do you feel it's right for Mr. Edwards to demand and even threaten the life of these last remaining buses?

Oh, to answer the other things... when I had my initial "accident" the literally caused my knee to be rebuilt, I faced the very likely possibility of spending my life with a cane at least. I was in a brace and incapacitated for months on end and luckily, came out the other side somewhat okay. Still, I can disable myself for long stretches... the last time was literally in the act of stepping off a streetcar. My knee twisted, I fell to the ground, and had to drag myself onto the sidewalk... weeks of doctors help, being on a cane, and being unable to move properly... and Toronto's streetcars are not wheelchair accessible... yet, I went to work. I simply re-routed myself during this time to avoid the streetcar... much like I wonder if the folks who need to travel the same route as the 9 bus and 15 bus of the "Heritage Routes" could.... strike that, they know they can... I have to assume, it's because they just don't want to.

Lastly, the comparison to buildings I've already touched on... and there's a personal issue on that one as well...

Toronto also has an outspoken "advocate" of the rights of the disabled... and I totally agree that one is necessary.

Problem is, they can get bogged down in such stupidity... much like I believe Mr. Edwards and his group have now done.

They managed to get a law on the books... a GOOD law... one that requires all businesses and whatnot to be wheelchair friendly.

Problem is, this law is all encompassing... and threatened our historic sites and buildings. Very soon, the buildings at Old Fort York would need to be modified, closed, or torn down as the blockhouses and powder magazine are not wheelchair friendly and do have steps.

Blockhouse at Fort York

These are the oldest standing buildings in our city... dating to the late 1700's... but they are in ever present danger because of this ruling.

Almost all the historic homes in Toronto too are under the gun... this is about fifty properties... most over a century old.

The two arguments from these groups... build ramps and elevators which in some cases is impossible due to the very nature of the architecture (let alone cost)... and would ruin the historic footprint of the building... Close them down because if a segment of the public cannot learn and enjoy the history of these places, no one should.

That is a comment I did hear at one meeting... and then on a news interview with someone from a disabled rights group.

Do you agree with this?

It's amazing how many people I worked with (and know) that are in wheelchairs that did not agree... so many that it has been dropped... sort-of... it's still a "cause celebre" for some, but thankfully, people seem to be working around it... but once in a while, it comes to the fore again... and like Mr. Edwards, lawsuits against historical societies and sites are threatened.

When I look at what's happening in London... and the fact that it's a now tiny-fraction of a percentage of the system that are running these old buses... and that more than adequate provisions have been made for those with special needs to get around... one has to come to one conclusion...

Mr. Edwards and his group want to kill the remaining emblems of London because they don't like them.

This is why I rant.

I'm all for helping people... I've worked with the disabled (as a volunteer) on several occasions... with the Canadian National Institute for the Blind and a special care group for people with brain damage that effects their short-term memory... and do believe there are happy mediums to accommodate those with special needs and the majority of us... of which, yes, despite my early concerns and occasional issues, I am an "able-bodied male".

...but I believe also that we ALL have to understand that we cannot do everything... nor should we sacrifice everything for the sake of anyone. We should do our best to accommodate, as stated, but not at other's expense.

When someone demands to be accommodated without care for others, that's not equality... that's an attempt at superiority... and therefore, it's wrong.

So, NO, I don't apologise for my views or how I feel about my comments toward Mr. Edwards and The Disability Rights Commission... they are not asking for a right, they are demanding their own way... and for no better reason then they can.

One last time, do you feel it's right for Mr. Edwards to demand and even threaten the life of these last remaining buses?

I think it's obvious I don't... and I've backed up my side... can he, with reason and more than personal "thoughts" back up his? If you disagree, can you back up yours?

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Comment from: administration [Member] Email · http://www.helpcoverthebus.com/
I enjoyed reading through the comments on the original BBC article that spurred this. Here is my fave:

What a load of nonsense! The very fact that the heritage buses are additional buses on routes already catered for by accessible buses should kill the issue. I suppose we should also close the whispering gallery in St. Paul's to all visitors over accessibility. After all, that would be 'fair'. As for it becoming illegal, what a joke. London has new, accessible buses coming out of its ears! What's wrong with just a handful of the old ones. In any case, I don't think I'd bother to use the heritage routes specially, but I like to see the buses around, and if there's no one on them that simply won't happen. The majority of people like them. Is this a democracy?
Jonathan H, Kiev, Ukraine


As for our mutual "disabled" friend, perhaps this is my mistake, but I have always thought of him as a man, no more, and certainly no less.
PermalinkPermalink 03/25/07 @ 08:21
Comment from: penpen [Visitor]
Susie, Ya of course our mutual friend is but a man, but we cannot forget that there are parts of us that make us uniquely what we are, and for him, it is disability. We need to stop pretending to look past our differences in the world, but rather embrace them. I have talked to this person about the terrible transportation issues that he has encountered and how expensive it can be. anywhoo, thats not the point of Matt's thread.

I think when you talk about any part of a disadvantaged society, reactions from people should be expected because people need to know that there is not an injustice that needs to be fought here. Some do not realize that being too politically correct can be just as damaging and excluding as being completely on the other end of the spectrum. With tongue-in-cheek columns there will be people who will read what they need to read, and there will be people who will understand it, and there will be people who will want to educate the writer on any mistakes that may have been made. I think using a certain sector of society that has very little power and privilege can make a lot of people jump at the chance to have a say. Even though some were angry, there could have been a few points in there that actually made a bit of sense, even though the anger.

I think we all need to realize that our history is very important and we need to find ways to include all aspects of society within to help them feel included. If it is redesigning a building, unfortunately, i feel that it may be a possibility for some places. We are always re-righting history and I am sure in the past, many major building have seen war, strife, rebuilding, additions. These are now part of that buildings history. Maybe in a few hundred years, it will be explained to the people touring the buildings, why it was changed to accept people who could not otherwise go through and enjoy the building. BUT Closing a building down I do not agree with, if they cannot make it handicapped accessible. Buildings should not be torn down for these reasons, especially if they have been deemed of historical significance.

Anywhoo, I have babbled, again, I know you do great work for people Matt, I know you are not a hum-bug crotchety old miser and you do care about people, youi just want to preserve a little bit of history that is important for everyone.

PermalinkPermalink 03/25/07 @ 09:55
Comment from: administration [Member] Email · http://www.helpcoverthebus.com/
Pen -> This is a discussion about London, not Montreal.

As for disadvantaged, my step Dad is legally blind. If you called him disadvantaged he'd be insulted.
PermalinkPermalink 03/25/07 @ 10:24
Comment from: penpen [Visitor]
I think whatever term you use, someone will be offended, I don't think using disadvantaged is a negative term, it states that it is a part of society that may not have the same advantages as abled people.

And using our mutual friend, it was not making it a Montreal thing or a London thing, it was just clarifying a situation that all people across the world have. When Matt spoke of himself, would he be them making it a Toronto thing??? Ya because it is a world issue and even the countries who are far more advanced at the inclusion of others have issues too.

anywhoo, I agreed with you guys anyways saying that history should be preserved. BUT sometimes small things need to change and history may sometimes need to be re-written. I think taking all the buses away are wrong, having a historical route is important. We also have to remember that the article in question was written in a biased manner and not all facets of what is happening were included. Is London actually considering this based on one man's opinion??

PermalinkPermalink 03/25/07 @ 10:40
Comment from: Stu [Visitor]
... and what a man I am! :D

The way I see it, there are many places, man-made and natural, that can not be feasably retrofitted to allow access for the disabled. This is the way it is and is part of the burden of being disabled,

However, there are many, many places that can be made accessible. Almost all new developments are accessible, and there is no excuse for pre-1960s architecture not to be made acessible, within reason. Yes, an elevator in fort York would be ridiculous and unfeasable and that falls into what I said in the first paragraph BUT are ramps truly unfeasable? I am not familiar with the fort's layout so I can't really say. One thin I can comment on is that Montreal's "subterreanian" aspects should be made accessisble, it was a blunder to not to in the first place.

As for the tourist route buses and wanting to destroy unaccessible things, agreed, stupid as hell. Does not help the cause. The cause = make cities more accessible where feasably possible.

Never have I typed the word accessible so much.
PermalinkPermalink 03/25/07 @ 11:42
Comment from: admin [Member] Email · http://www.doubledeckerbuses.org/
YAY STU! This is my point exactly!

...and I agree, the stupidity of those who demand certain things after concessions have already been made and giant strides happened only hurt a cause!

In essence, within a few years, the Routemasters will run down and not be financially viable to run... and they will naturally disappear without upsetting a soul... and considering they make up less than 0.5% of the fleet which are only on two routes that are completely accessible through other, non-taking-anyone-out-of-the-way methods, expediting their departure is dumb and will only make able people angry with all disabled people... You took away our heritage! will be a thought within many... not realising that it was a select and vocal minority who's pushing this dumb issue.

Hey Penster... I spoke of myself because Toronto and London have done what could be done... this was not a case where those who are specially-abled were truly being "put out" or "put out of mind". It's a case of one group's perception superceding everyone else for no better cause than "they can".

Often, this is not good for anyone.

Since it's a topic near and dear to you (and me too with many friends...) let's look at gay marriage... Through Sue, I'm happy to know about the first couple who fought for and legally were allowed to be married... they are grateful for that right and I believe it was a "good call" too.

...but...

Some people are screaming that it should be their right to be married wherever and by whomever they wish.

Part of me, at the outset, thinks "sure, why not?"

...but then I think... what about those who are against this? Should we supersede their rights at their church for the few? Should we say that their rights and philosophies are worth less in their spiritual home (church or temple)?

Now, before you say, "But that's drinkin' the Hatoraid!", there are many religions with restrictive diets... should I be allowed to picnic and barbecue steak on the festival of light in a Hindu temple? It's a feast, after all... and I enjoy a feast... should that be my right?

Should I be allowed to force people in a Mosque to marry Sue and I... despite the fact that we're no Muslim?

...yet, there are those who say we SHOULD be legally allowed to inject whatever our personal feelings and thoughts into anyplace we can... in which case, call Ernst Zundle 'cuz we made a big mistake.

I ask you... do you think it will FURTHER or HURT the cause of gay rights if gay couples legally battle to be married in a Catholic church by a bishop?

...or do you think it will end up causing severe anger at a community based on the actions of people "trying to make a splash"?

Realistically, in time, if things continue the way they are, it would probably happen at some point, but should we RAM IT DOWN people's throats now because... well... again, not better reason than "we can"?

There comes a point where certain things aren't rights... they are privileges.

I believe in the RIGHTS to those who are disabled to have the ability to use public transit... but I believe it would be a privilege to be able to condemn and remove an iconic and traditional vehicle that does NOT affect everybody... and privilege is not a right.

...and in this case, I don't think that privilege SHOULD be given to these folks.

Oh, and as for your question...

Is London actually considering this based on one man's opinion??

Actually, he's a spokesperson for a VERY loud lobby group... and they have succeeded in the past... and they WILL send the lawyers out eventually... he will succeed as the law, being too broad in my opinion, is on his side... He will sue (with his volunteer lawyers) continuously until his organisation wins... they've done it before, they're preparing to do it again... hence the recent BBC article.
PermalinkPermalink 03/25/07 @ 12:21
Comment from: penpen [Visitor]
Ok, BUT if other people getting married does not affect an individual personally than why should it bother them?? There are many people who are religious and part of the LGBTT2IQQ community. So because they have faith, but their faith deems them wrong, is that fair? Should they not be allowed to be married where they pray??? You would not be allowed to be married in a muslim church, because you have not followed the Muslim faith. Many LGBTT2IQQ individuals have been involved in their church their whole lives and there are a lot of churches that do accept the community. I pass one every day coming home from school, so not all religions are against gay marriage. So if people believe that they do not think the community has the right, that is being noninclusive, no matter what way you see it. As you know, from your friends, they have to struggle through adversity more than the next guy, and marriage has always been a right for people, so why make it a privilege for only certain parts of society. It is like saying, this is good for us, but it is not good enough for you. Why can't two people in love join together in a union, how does that hurt someone in the next city who follows a particular faith??? If it is not damaging anyone and nobody is dying or being locked out of society, I just don't understand why it would hurt these people? I work with a group in Halton and the amount of death threats and hate mail they receive is disgusting, and these are from people who are following faiths that should include loving thy neighbor. We all think we have the right to free speech, but when it includes hatred and death threats, the line should be drawn and the argument has passed healthy boundaries.

Tying this back to the original argument, who are we to say that disabled individuals cannot enjoy history with the rest of us, and i think you forgot to read that i was actually agreeing with you, but also believe the same thing that stuey says, there are a lot of buildings that can be fitted for accessibility, and if they can, it should be done. Life is limited enough for these people, it may be a privilege to visit these wonderful historic places, but they should be allowed to make that choice for themselves and whether they would like to visit these places, and not have others make the decisions for them by not having access whatsoever.
PermalinkPermalink 03/25/07 @ 12:49
Comment from: administration [Member] Email · http://www.helpcoverthebus.com/
Should elevators be installed in the pyramids? Even if it means compromising structural integrity?

Thanks Stu! You are "the man" .. :)
PermalinkPermalink 03/25/07 @ 13:06
Comment from: penpen [Visitor]
no i certainly don't agree with that, you should know me better than that, i don't think that buildings that will be ruined should be affected, but some can be fit for anybody to enter, and therefore they should be changed if it is feasible. I also don't think the rockies should have an individual elevator up each peak because my lazy ass can't climb up them. I understand that not everything can be altered and I think that I have said that over and over.

PermalinkPermalink 03/25/07 @ 13:14
Comment from: administration [Member] Email · http://www.helpcoverthebus.com/
Penny -> So at one point does one draw a line? Gay marriage is legal here in Canada, and I support this, but if a priest believes it goes against his God to marry a a Gay couple so be it in my opinion. The Church is a separate issue. And why would anyone in their right mine join a Church that condemns them, and insist on being married by them. Thats nutty!

As for historic sites again I will ask should elevators be installed in the pyramids? Even if it means having to alter them permanently to provide for this? Think about it.

and yes, my step dad is blind it means he cannot drive, he does not insist that all cars should be banned because he is breathing in the pollution of an activity he cannot partake in. That is equally as nutty as the argument against a handful of buses for tourists when they have an accessible fleet of 3600!!!
PermalinkPermalink 03/25/07 @ 13:16
Comment from: administration [Member] Email · http://www.helpcoverthebus.com/
Oops! you got in there while I was typing! ... :)

Scratch that pyramid bit! Point taken.
PermalinkPermalink 03/25/07 @ 13:18
Comment from: penpen [Visitor]
No , i fully believe that there is no point suing a certain church if they refuse to marry you, i certainly feel that if it were me, i would go somewhere that accepted me. It would just take up too much of my energy and time and I know that I can't change everyone's mind. But it is important for some to be able to be married where their faith has been their whole lives, how can we tell people that society allows marriage in this church, but because you love the wrong sex, you can't join in a union with them. Where is the line being drawn, because i think the line right now is drawn to not accept people and make them feel that they are not a part of society. We all know that the church will not budge on this issue. But to at least start the stepping stone for change can help everyone in the long run. IT may be one small lawsuit against the church, but it may mean radical change for the world in the future and open doors for people to feel that they are an integral part of society.
PermalinkPermalink 03/25/07 @ 13:28
Comment from: admin [Member] Email · http://www.doubledeckerbuses.org/
Hey Penny...

No , i fully believe that there is no point suing a certain church if they refuse to marry you, i certainly feel that if it were me, i would go somewhere that accepted me.

...but this fellow is going to sue Transport for London to remove the buses.

...and there are two known L&G groups gearing up to sue the Roman Catholic church for the right to be married in it.

Again, I specify... would it be okay for me to have a big beef-rib barbecue on the grounds of a public Hindu temple during the festival of lights?

I disagree with your "line"... the line in public is one thing... within a "temple", "church", "mosque", "synagog", or whatever, we shouldn't control that... lest we now also start to "suggest" control ALL aspects of personal preference and thoughts... including those within the very groups that are "active" for these purposes...

...but...

We can set "societal and public" norms... and this is being done... those that wish to now force it down the throats of the private society are just going to face a backlash.

Eventually, if things HAVE to be accepted in the general public, the church WILL adopt them... just ask Giordano Bruno... or at least, those who came after him.

Churches, like businesses and anything reliant on public support, do eventually have to evolve to thrive... or perish without customers (or congregations.)

Lastly, I'd remind you that "secular humanists" (Atheists) would love to see our websites and groups fold as we "preach" paranormality which is too close to "spirituality"... they'd like to outlaw and destroy churches, destroy non-secular art, and remove ALL aspects of ANY religion, spirituality, or anything aside from the basic cut-and-dry facts of science... there is no room for latitude with them.

They have won lawsuits to remove "God" from various things... and to a degree, they are responsible for traditional things like "Christmas" being a dirty word...

They have rights... should I let and encourage them to have one law suit to end our paranormal efforts... or wreck one of the cathedrals downtown... or ban all of Bach's music for their better future? To be honest, they're onside with you on this... they believe that religious stuff is what causes these gulfs in society.

Your call...

...or are some groups more equal than others? Orwell would be proud!

Oh, before I sign off for now.... despite the miscues, THANKS TO EVERYONE! This has been a LIVELY and interesting discussion!!! Many thoughts and ideas... and I'm REALLY glad to see Stu on side! I was kinda worried when I was called a "h8or"! :)
PermalinkPermalink 03/25/07 @ 14:28
Comment from: penpen [Visitor]
I think that no matter what I say you will not see my point and try and argue it, I have agreed with you on many points, I have tried to just understand the other side of things. I never said I agreed with the fact that people want to steal christmas or stop everything that is religious or paranormal.

There are many people with their own views, and i think i said at the beginning that people who are too politically correct can be just as damaging. I said it right at the beginning. But when will it be ok to change a few things to INCLUDE people rather than exclude. Respect comes into play, we all need mutual respect, hence why you would never eat your big beef ribs in a Hindu Temple.

I think there is happy medium that we all must come to for everyone to live together. I have never said that they should get rid of the buses. I have never said that I demand the churches accept all couples for marriage, I was raised catholic but aren't practicing and would not be accepted into a church right now to be married. I don't expect them to let me either.

I don't know why Stu basically said the same thing as me but in less words and it is Ok, but I am being brought into a debate about it. I said that some things should be changed if they could be, BUT i also said they should not change things that cannot be changed with destroying it. I don't know where we are disagreeing right now. I never said that extremists should be allowed to sue for every little thing. I never said the world should be without christmas. All I was saying is that a little inclusion goes a long way.
PermalinkPermalink 03/25/07 @ 15:59
Comment from: admin [Member] Email · http://www.doubledeckerbuses.org/
Hey Penny...

But when will it be ok to change a few things to INCLUDE people rather than exclude.

Question: What if that inclusion ends up excluding people...

As the example we're using, to include those who are disabled, the fellow in question wishes to exclude the buses... which in turn excludes the tourists and excludes those who are enthusiasts of the buses.... Ergo: To "include" the few "excludes" the majority... Heck, it isn't even a popular movement within the disabled people of London... just his group... and their attorneys.

I am agreeing with you though... moderation is key... but the respect must go in all directions and within social acceptability.

To be an atheist and give a speech on anit-theism/secular humanism at a college or university is fine... to march into a synagog or school and start handing out literature decrying the Holocaust as a lie is not fine.

...I think this is our point... and Stu said it perfectly...

All Things Within Reason.

My point still is, this fellow's request (remove the Routemasters) is unreasonable... as of now, I believe that only POSSIBLY Heather and one e-mailer in the U.K. are not in agreement with this. All things within reason... and the old Routemasters still running aren't hurting anyone... except this group.

I can tell you right now, this is also the feelings of Michael Leshner and Michael Stark about gay marriage and how far to push that envelope... celebrate the victory, work within the new system, enjoy what we have, gently work toward equality. They wince when people try to push and shove an agenda... they (rightfully) are worried that a backlash COULD ruin what they worked so hard to achieve... and it very well could if "Vox Populi" turns...

We need to make changes, I agree...

...but you said it Penny... where DO we draw our line?

Should London be without double-decker buses considering what you know about them now?

Nevermind, I already know you agree... and it seems that I don't understand this...

This is because you'll agree, and then toss in a caveat about your agreement... which is confusing...

"I believe in this... except when..." is how it reads... and honestly, I believe that's how you mean it.

...but we're now back to talking about ONE thing... the London Buses... and realistically, either you believe the one's left ARE an afront to the disabled and must begone... or you believe that there's no harm and they can stay.

There's no happy medium with this one... so why waffle?
PermalinkPermalink 03/25/07 @ 18:12
Comment from: admin [Member] Email · http://www.doubledeckerbuses.org/
TO ALL...

You know who I now actually blame?

Look at the image of the "rotten platform" which caused all the fuss...

RM Platform

Now, remember (and note, there's one standing near the platform in the picture...) there's a conductor on these buses...

Now, you're telling me NO ONE COULD DEVELOP A RETRACTABLE RAMP FOR THESE THINGS THAT THE CONDUCTOR COULD PUT OUT FOR PEOPLE WHO NEED IT!?!?

...or am I making just too much goddam sense?
PermalinkPermalink 03/25/07 @ 18:35

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This blog was started in April of 2006... during a very bad time for me and my family when money was very tight and life was very hard.

We maintained a happier outlook on life by fantasizing... talking about what we would do when times were better... and as Sue and myself are Anglophiles, England factored greatly into our "plans".

During these bad times, while looking at news items which, at the time included items about London removing their venerable old Routemasters, I came across one photo of an old green bus... and somehow, my whole family adopted it. It became very much "our bus". (Details about "our bus" are available by clicking here.)

Like most of you, I'd heard about the fellow who'd made a million dollars selling tiny ads online... and the fellow who did trades and turned a paper clip into a house... so I thought, since we couldn't make our bus actually into "our bus" (well beyond our means,) I'd try an "online" appeal... to make the focused item of our hopes into a tangible thing in our lives...

More specifically, in a burst of adult/juvenile optimism, I had hoped to show the youngest member of the family, who at the time was still very youthful and impressionable, that dreams really could become reality if you hope and, more importantly, try.

Well, I'm pretty sure you figured it out... we had limited succes in this venture... and the youngest has now reached an age where she is more traditionally "teenaged" cynical than much else about the world, which isn't a dreadful thing... but there's a "good news" portion to this... our personal situation with money is better, life has improved, and some people really liked my rambling here... so, I decided to keep things going... Yes, I will "give up" on asking for help on a bus... and have to give up on even trying as hard to get the bus through online means... and yes, be far more realistic... but I don't mind this "turn" of things as I actually enjoy venting, trying my hand at humour, and generally keeping on online presence outside my usual things.

Thanks to those who were/are "Busly Dream" enthusiasts... I suppose that our buses for now will be single-deck with the letters "TTC" emblazoned on them... but this blog will live as does our dream! (It's just a little quieter on that latter bit...)

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